Profile of a Street Poet, Rich FergusonBy Jeffrey Pillow
July 26, 2010
Street poet, cadence carpenter Rich Ferguson (Where I Come From), who could somehow make enchiladas relevant in the post-post-modern jib jabs of verse, rhythm, and rhyme, is an American spoken word artist to behold. Street meets soul as if a lingering piece of San Fran gold mysteriously appearing from the gluts of the LA Basin, liquefied reverb, straw cap, cawing through air spaces in his gums, “The Earthquake is Here! Where’s the Kick Drum?”
Tapping into the arterial vein of Los Angeles street life, Ferguson’s poetry oozes raw emotion with a pink underbelly. Be it the “boom-boom beat of all these bombs dropping” after the loss of a dear friend or the recollection of one night’s cross-dressing exploits (“The panty hose was the hardest to get on. Every inch of the way, the elastic material constricted movement, bound blood, itched the skin”), Ferguson’s inimitable interplay of lyric and language, culture possessed and exorcised by words and wordsmiths, haunted shadows on sidewalks, beckons the listener/reader line by line to sway side to side like a healed Stevie Wonder to the beat of a song wholly his own in statu nascendi inter spem et metum.
Ferguson has studied poetry alongside the poetic voice of the Beat Generation, Allen Ginsberg (Howl), shared a stage with the likes of the Godmother of Punk, Patti Smith (Horses), and even recently appeared—as in Monday, July 12, 2010 recent—on “The Tonight Show with Jay Leno,” accompanying musical guest Tracy Bonham (Masts of Manhatta). If you thought the cowbell went out of style with Will Ferrell and Christopher Walken, think again. Ferguson could play the spoons or a musical instrument made from the cardboard remains of a toilet paper tube, strung tight with rubber bands, and you would still be hypnotized by a soulful magician not to be confused with Rich “The Ice Breaker” Ferguson.
Ferguson’s words are not silky smooth like white clouds in blue skies peppered with pretty birds singing love sonnets. The man is less Wordsworth and more Whitman. Whitman 2.0, 2010, Los Angeles, California. Rough to the touch like sandpaper grit that picks at the epidermal layer of your skin in little square, flaky bits.
Cue Clark Griswold. Drum roll please . . . .
JEFFREY PILLOW: First Rich, thanks for taking the time to dissolve this East Coast/West Coast beef between Biggie and Pac and talk with me. How would you describe the parallel of music, rhythm, and rhyme in your spoken word/poetry?
RICH FERGUSON: Before I began performing spoken word on a fairly regular basis I started out as a musician. Drums were my first instrument. I gradually moved on to singing lead, and later learned how to play the guitar so I could write songs. Over the years while playing music in various rock bands, I was always doing spoken word on the side. Sometimes within the band as well. During those years of training, rhythm and rhyme was obviously a big part of my diet. Once I began performing spoken word, and writing material for performance, I found that some of those skills crossed over quite naturally into the material. In regards to spoken word, however, I’ve been very fortunate to have people champion my work. One person that comes to mind is Bob Holman. He’s a fantastic NYC poet/educator. I feel very blessed to have him in my life. He’s really opened quite a few doors for me in regards to performing opportunities and meeting various writers over the years.
JP: I believe it was Duke [Haney] who said this once over at The Nervous Breakdown, though I may be misquoting him (or someone else if it wasn’t Duke), that music was the creative instigator, that it all started with music at a young age. Music does that, doesn’t it? Sends a pulse right through your veins. It only takes one song during the years of teenage angst to send you on a path where you never look back.
JP: Influences? Anything really: music, fiction writers, nonfiction, neighbors, oddballs, circus clowns, carnies, et cetera.
RF: Musical influences: I get a lot of crap for this one, but Rush is really one of my first musical influences. Or I should say that Neil Peart is the guy that got me interested in playing drums. Terry Bozzio is another drummer that’s been a big influence over the years. I actually had the extreme good fortune and honor to meet him last year and collaborate with him on a spoken word/music video piece entitled, “From Within to Without.” I think it’s on my YouTube page.
Fiction writers: I love Raymond Carver. Not so much because I feel like I write like him. Mainly because I don’t write like him. Let me explain . . . sometimes I feel like I use way too many words to get my point across. Carver is one of those writers that is able to go straight for the heart, straight for the jugular vein in the fewest words. His work is very lean and to the point. I admire that greatly.
JP: I hear ya’. I’ve tried to train myself to not be so longwinded yet I still fail miserably. I get it from my Mama. That woman can straight release some words from her gut, which is fairly amazing since she has a blib on one of her lungs. Collapsed way back when from blowing up a pool float.
Your thoughts on pool floats or other inflatable devices?
RF: So sorry to hear that your mom had such a hard time with that pool float. As for me, I can’t recall a problem with pool floats or inflatable devices. Now that I think of it, though, not long ago I went to see Brad Listi interview Chuck Palahniuk here in L.A. During the course of the interview, Chuck threw some inflatable toys into the audience. Some were huge Oscar-like statues. Others were giant-sized hearts. Everyone in the audience–and we’re talking a pretty big theater–were huffing and puffing trying to blow up these toys. Me, I damn near thought I was going to get a collapsed lung while blowing up that heart. But I made it. In fact, I currently have it sitting in my living room.
JP: Sorry, sorry. Influences, yes. Back to that.
RF: There are other writers that I love reading for inspiration: Neruda, Rilke, Rumi. I love the mystical and lyrical nature of their voices. I also enjoy the poetry of Patti Smith, Mayakovsky, and Saul Williams.
A couple other fiction writers I enjoy: Richard Brautigan, George Saunders, and Mark Richard. I just love their sense of imagination and word play.
In regards to other inspirations: Heck, inspiration is all around in everyday life. I’m trying to get better at picking up the clues.
JP: Six degrees of Kevin Bacon, I have to ask: Patti Smith . . . you once performed on the same stage with her. What was this experience like?
RF: Performing with Patti Smith was amazing. A dream come true, really. The amazing NYC poet, Bob Holman, was the mastermind that put that show together. The only thing that could’ve made the evening even better would’ve been having the opportunity to hang out with Patti and pick her brain a bit about her experiences and let her know how much she’s influenced not only my creative work, but my life. But she was pretty much keeping to herself that evening, so I didn’t bug her.
JP: And [Allen] Ginsberg? Jeez man, you studied with Ginsberg? I keep a copy of Howl and Other Poems at my cube at work. I jokingly said to my wife when I started writing for TNB that the crowd there is like The Beat Generation: 21st Century Edition starring [Brad] Listi as Jack Kerouac, and if anyone should play Ginsberg then it’s gotta be Rich.
RF: Frankly, I don’t think I should be the one playing Ginsberg. Actually, that should be another TNB contributor: Milo Martin. Some years ago when he was living in S.F. he was propositioned by Ginsberg at City Lights Bookstore. Milo graciously refused the offer. Still, near blowjobs over writing workshops–I think that officially puts Milo at a lesser degree of separation from Allen than me.
JP: How are you different than Rich “The Ice Breaker” Ferguson, the magician?
RF: This is a funny question. I never became aware of this guy until someone once wrote me and said: “So I googled your name and this magician guy came up. Some other guy named Rich Ferguson.” I did a little bit of investigating and saw that this guy has TONS of videos on YouTube and stuff. In fact, I think when you google the name Rich Ferguson, his name comes up before mine. At one point, when you googled the name, he came up, I came up, then there was this cross-dresser in London that also came up. Since then, I think the London cross-dresser has changed his name. I think he was really starting to feel the heat. Ultimately, it’s one of the my life ambitions to beat the magician Rich Ferguson in the Google pool. I actually spoke to him once on the phone, and we had a great conversation. He’s a super sweet guy.
JP: I feel ya’ Rich. It took me a while to climb Google’s ladder too. Back in the day, the first search results you’d get when you googled me were Jeffrey Dahmer pillows and Jeff Gordon pillows. But no more. The Jeffrey Dahmer pillows still trump me sometimes in the Google Images search. Unfortunately for some likely cannibals and future serial killers out there, they sadly come upon my website from time to time when searching for Jeffrey Dahmer collectibles. Google Analytics has clued me in.
I had to ask about The Ice Breaker. When I was doing research for my article, the magic man appeared. I think as me and Greg [Olear] discussed once, when you do a search of Brad and The Nervous Breakdown, you get links to a Brad Paisley song of the same name . . . .
I’m sure you’ve been asked this a dozen times already but how was the experience on ‘The Tonight Show with Jay Leno?’ You were groovin’ dude. In synch hand claps. The cow bell. You were straight jamming on stage.
RF: The Leno experience was great. The crew was great. The band that I played with [Tracy Bonham] was amazing. Here’s the thing, though. There’s a tremendous amount of waiting around. That’s the one thing I wasn’t prepared for. I got there at 9:30 a.m. There was a sound check at 11:00. Then there was a lunch break. At 1:30 we did a tech run-through with cameras. Then we had to sit around until 4:45 when we did the actually taping. Yeah, the most challenging part of the whole deal was to have to sit around for all that time, then when they said, “You’re on” you really had to be on. Because we basically just had one shot at the whole thing.
JP: Well, you guys damn sure nailed it . . . .
What’s a good web address where folks can listen to your work?
RF: Two places where people can check out my spoken word/music tracks and videos are MySpace (www.myspace.com/richferguson) and YouTube (www.youtube.com/fuzzydoodah).
JP: One last thing, Mrs. Butterworth or Aunt Jemima? Who makes the best maple syrup? Inquiring minds want to know.
RF: I’ll go with Aunt Jemima. If for no other reason than I grew up with her. Gotta stay loyal to my homegirl. She gave me many fine, sweet mornings during childhood breakfasts.
JP: Thanks for your time Rich. Best of luck in your continuing beat in the literary world.
RICH FERGUSON has performed across the country and has been heard on many radio stations, including WBAI in New York City, KCRW and KPFK in Southern California, and World Radio. He has shared the same stage with Patti Smith and Janet Hamill, Exene Cervenka, David Thomas of Pere Ubu, Holly Prado, and many other esteemed poets and musicians. He has performed at the Redcat Theater in Disney Hall, the Electric Lodge (Venice, CA), The Knitting Factory (NYC & LA), the South by Southwest Music Festival, the North By Northwest Music Festival, the Henry Miller Library, Tongue and Groove, Beyond Baroque, and the Topanga Film Festival. On the college circuit he has performed at UC Irvine, UC-Santa Barbara, UCLA, El Camino College, and Cal State Northridge. He is a featured performer in the sequel to the film 1 Giant Leap. It’s called What About Me, and also features Michael Stipe, Michael Franti, K.D. Lang, Krishna Das, and others. Ferguson has studied poetry with Allen Ginsberg and fiction writing with Aimee Bender and Sid Stebel. In addition, he has been published in the LA TIMES, spotlighted on PBS (Egg: The Art Show), is a regular contributor to The Nervous Breakdown, and his spoken word/music CD, entitled Where I Come From, was produced by Herb Graham Jr. (John Cale, Macy Gray).
Neil Peart, Patti Smith and Ray Carver walk into a bar. Ray Carver says to the bartender, “The two men sitting beside Earl exchanged looks. One of them raised his eyebrows.”
Neil Peart says, “There is unrest in the forest. There is trouble with the trees.”
Patti Smith says, “E, Ea, O, Ah, I, A.”
Bartender says, “All three of you, get the fuck outta here.”
Great Interview, especially for us newbies.
Ha. That’s pretty good. An Art original?
Rich, bro, if you want to totally pwn the Google pool, you have to get a Google pool pwnage name. Something like “Uche Ogbuji” There are a shitload of Uches but very few Ogbujis because raising yam is not easy and not everyone can claim such an illustrious title.
So I think I have the solution for you. I’ll give you an Igbo name. So for the first name, we could go with something traditional such as Ugochukwu (“god’s eagle”) but that’s just not good enough. Maybe “Onyeobula” (“everyone”) which is pretty non-traditional, but not completely outlandish. I think in the end I’d suggest “Obioma” (“good hearted”). Obi for short.
And no, you do not get WanKenobi for a surname 🙂
OK, what about that surname? Ha! That’s easy/ Let’s start with the pattern of my name but instead of harvesting yam, let’s say you harvest words. Ogbuakukwo.
So there you go.
Obioma Ogbuakukwo. (Good-hearted harvester of words)
You have it within your grasp to be untouchable on Google 😀
I love that, Uche! Obi Ogbuakukwo. It has just the right kind of rhythm for Rich..
Good-hearted harvester of words. I like that.
Nice job, both of you!
Rich, your reputation here preceded you, but it was when people started posting the videos on Facebook that I understood just what it is that you do. You opened my eyes to a form of art that I assumed was far beyond what I could appreciate. I particularly enjoyed reading some of the influences you name checked above. Mental notes have been taken.
Jeffrey, a fantastically entertaining and informative interview. Great questions, nice easy tone, and you managed to wrangle a wealth of good info from your subject. Bravo!
Thanks Joe. There’s a certain rhythm to Rich’s poetry that, with our without musical accompaniment, it’s still pure music to the ears.
Thank you, Jeffrey,
I like hearing everything about Rich
and everything by Rich.
He’s a phenomenon.
(I like your name for him, Uche.)
You’re welcome. Same here. Everytime Rich posts a new piece, I read it right then and there. I figured after all this time enjoying his work, I’d pick his brain a little. Definitely a wordsmith phenomenon.
What a great interview – from both interviewer and subject. I can never get enough of Rich Ferguson, that gentle, rocking, feeling, thinking, loving, dancing, beautiful man.
Aroha. Aroha. Aroha.
As I said to Joe above, even without musical accompaniment Rich’s poetry is still pure music. You can’t help but nod your head and sway a little when reading it.
This was a really great interview. Rich seems really mellow. (You seem really mellow, Rich.) I’ve never heard him speak, but I’d like to believe he’s got a deep, soft voice. If he sounds like Gilbert Gottfried, please don’t tell me.
I just Googled my name. I come up on the first page! (WOO HOO! The new phone book’s here. This is the kind of spontaneous publicity I need. My name in print. That really makes somebody!)
Gilbert Gottfried. I’ve always been curious how that guy sounded as an infant with colic.
Here’s to hoping you both crawl up the Google ladder with this piece!
We need to schedule a Celebrity Death Match between Rich “Obioma Ogbuakukwo” Ferguson and Rich “The Ice Breaker” Ferguson. I’ve got dibs on Obioma . . . unless The Ice Breaker pulls a rabid bunny out of his hat.
That would be badass!
Great interview of a great dude, Jeffro. Congratulations to both you guys. We’re lucky to have you on TNB.
Although I have to side with Mrs. Butterworth. From such a smooth name flows such sweet syrup.
Love the clips, love the cowbell, love the Ginsberg hummer anecdote. Where in City Lights, I wonder? Down in the basement behind the True Crime section, I’ll bet. Also, Terry “Zoot Allures” Bozzio=truly underrated drummer.
“Heck, inspiration is all around in everyday life. I’m trying to get better at picking up the clues.”
Damn straight. Especially with pieces like this flying across the TNB radar.
Nice work, guys.
Great interview! I love that Rich has a Google doppelganger–I was beaten out by mine so I had to settle for aarondietz.us instead of aarondietz.com. Turns out, the other Aaron Dietz is an excellent graphic designer (something I definitely do not excel at). He’s like my opposite. Only he is also nice (or so he seems.
i’ve had the great fucking fortune
to have been mesmerized by
the breakneck inspiration who
is Rich Ferguson for over
twenty years. My life, my art
has thusly been enRiched.
Grazie mille, mio fratello.
Bozzio, Bozzio, Ginsberghozio,
super holy rollers in
the sped-up, torn-open sky…